Leading with L.O.V.E. with Greg Joyner

"People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." Join Tyler and special guest, Greg Joyner with R3 Ministries, as they discuss how to Lead with L.O.V.E. in your life and business.

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Lead with LOVE with Greg Joyner

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I think about saying you've probably heard it many times. People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care, and so you can. You can say it, you can have all the, you know, mission statements. Your company can come up with and they all sound, you know, fantastic and you can print them in Forbes magazine and put them in a Wall Street Journal and all that kind of good stuff.

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Hmm.

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Yeah.

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But the truth is, people know whether you're really living.

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That out or not?

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Hmm.

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So when you have an employee that's going through a challenging time in their life and it's it's affecting them personally, but it's also affecting their work, it's also affecting their relationships at home. Or it might be even affecting their walk with Christ if they have that, then to value that person enough that you've listened, you've observed them. Now you know how to Minister to them.

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Cause really if you have a business that God's entrusted to you.

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That's the ministry and and God's going to use that in a powerful way. As you're listening to him, you've committed that to him. And so you're going to value that person. You're going to know what's going to speak to them.

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Thank you so much for joining us with the faith family and Focus podcast. This is the podcast where we empower faith driven entrepreneurs to excel in their life and their leadership through Bible based principles. And I'm grateful we have a special guest with us today. Brother Greg Joyner is with us with our three ministries, brother Greg. It's good to have you today.

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Tyler, it's just a joy to be with you. I'm so honored to even be connected with you to be a part of the podcast. This.

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Great honor. Thanks for having me.

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Yes, Sir, absolutely. And tell us a little bit for the audience that may not know. You tell us a little bit just about you and what's it like to.

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Be Greg the.

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Days.

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It's it's good to be me these days, you know, I just became a grandfather for the 5th time, so I'm thankful for that. That's fairly new for us as far as a personal thing. And I'm I'm so grateful for that. I never had grandparents that I knew, they all passed away before I was born. So.

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To have that.

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That joy in my life is a great honor and.

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I'm thankful for it. Beyond that I get the joy of serving pastors and churches, and I'll tell you, Tyler, I didn't know what it would take me 4 years ago, but it has taken me on a journey that I wouldn't want not to have gone on. Let me put.

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That way I get to pray with a lot of pastors. I get to minister to a lot of churches, church leaders and through my life, even 1 today, as we were talking before you put us on the air and just met a new pastor. Today, I'm thrilled to be able to get connected with him and start doing some ministry with them together.

00:02:52 Speaker 2

Awesome. That's awesome. I love. I love the nature of the of our three ministries itself and we'll talk a little bit more about that later on. But I love just what you do. I think it's so valuable. I told you that when you were here at our church.

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It's so valuable. There's so many pastors that are discouraged, so many leaders that are discouraged. Then they're trying to do what God wants them to do. Many of them and and and in the case of the pastorate, a God has called in the pastorate church and also to run a business and also to to steward.

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Family and these pressures can become they're real.

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Real and I believe there's, you know, there's a great reason why many pastors resign and resign early. And there's many reasons why pastors get out of the ministry. And I think what brother Greg you're doing and what our three ministries is doing is just such such, it's so needed.

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An hour day and my late pastor brother Bobby Robertson, growing up, he was all about encouraging pastors. And so it's exciting to see you guys dedicating time to that and doing just that, brother Greg, tell us a little bit, we're kind of shift a little bit in our conversation just.

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Toward I remember when we were first talking and and we were discussing this idea of leadership. You know, there's there's many that are listening today that are they're leaders, they're faith driven leaders as we call them pastors, by vocational pastors, Ministry leaders, business owners, people that that they put a high premium on.

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Their their journey of faith with Christ and and their family and time with their family. But God has also called them to Stewart a business. And I I truly believe that in.

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Or to.

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To steward the business that that God has for us, and to do it well in a gospel centered Christ centered kind of way. There has to be a level of leadership that is formed within our heart, an aspect of Christ, Heart and Christ, leadership. We have to so that in our own life.

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We begin to talk a little bit.

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That.

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And so tell us a little bit more about what it means to lead with love. I know this is something that you give other churches and and pastors and encouraging them leading, but not just leading, not just administrating, but leading with love. Unpack that a little bit for us.

00:05:19 Speaker 1

Yeah, thanks for that. I I work with a lot of my vocational pastors, and honestly, I don't think there's one business principle that's successful. Tyler and I know you agree with this. It's not biblically grounded now. Businesses may not acknowledge it as being biblical. They may not even be Christian themselves.

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But if there's a principle that's working, yeah, I guarantee you it's rooted in Scripture and I work with a lot of bivocational pastors. And, you know, they're out in the secular world, but also have the responsibility of leading a church. And honestly, leadership is going to cross the boundary, worldly and sacred. And it's.

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Give you those skill sets and things that you need to have to run really a healthy, strong church. And so when I talk about leading we love or or leave like you love it. I really kind of break that out into four areas. The LOVE part and I think 1 central part is we have to listen.

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Well.

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Hmm.

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I want to listen more than just hearing. We have to.

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Hmm.

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Listen and and give a chance for that person that's talking to really resonate with what they're talking about. You're paying attention, you're focus, you know, 2 ears, one mouth. Listen twice as much. And jeans would admonish us to listen.

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The head and.

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To hear from that word, the other part is to observe the the couple, those both together to list.

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Listen intently, but to observe, if I might say it this way, observantly, you're you're watching things that are happening. You're you're listening, but you're also, you know, in some cases, if you have that ability to read the body language to kind of hear the inflections and and kind of how things are going that way. But observing what else is going on?

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Around that person's life because you get to know them and you get to know the environment from which you're coming from. At that point, it's going to help you value them more, but you're not going to value them any more than a person. They're God's creation, just like you are. And so when you value that person as another equal with you.

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Made in the image of God. And you put that value on them. Jesus Christ died for them, just like he died for you.

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And you've been listening, you've been observing it and you've placed great value on their life. We're fearfully and wonderfully made. God stitched this together. He needed us. He embroidered us. Some 139 would tell us in our mother's womb, just like he wanted us to.

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To being and so the value of that other person as you're listening and observing at that point, it gives you that final.

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Letter and that love.

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Word and that's you're going to know how to express to them in a much more specific in a particular way that resonates with them.

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You know, God's made us all differently. Praise the Lord right and and he he's given us all unique abilities and gifts and experiences and backgrounds and opportunities and personalities. And he's brought all that together. And so now if I've listened, I've observed I value that person.

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Then I'm going to know after I've put all that together, how to express to them in a way that they're going to receive it most efficiently and most effectively. If I could put it, I could put it in the in the the way our savior looked at us.

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He listens to the father. He observed the pain and the sin that that was on us. He valued us, praise the Lord, and he express that did he not? Did he? Did he not look down on humanity and express that in the most extraordinary, the most loving way?

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Right.

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Hmm.

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Yeah.

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Hmm.

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And I think that he has given us that then we would follow that and that we would use that in our life. So using it in business of course using it in church and Ministry of course using it in all relationships, I totally believe it's fundamentally a core of how we should go about life. I'm I'm convicted of it.

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I I I don't do it as well as I'd like to do it, but I see that there's great value in listening, observing, valuing and then expressing to that person to that organization to that group in a very specific, more specific way.

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That resonates with them. I don't know if that helped out and it gave you a lot there, but I was trying to give a context of my passion behind that away of a a loving to lead.

00:09:53 Speaker 2

Yeah, that's great. That's great. I love the I love because it starts with. Listen, listen, like you have to have your ears open to know what other people need. And we talk a lot about this. And just in our business community. But listening, getting feedback from.

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From your customers, getting feedback from those you do business with from your team and that feedback is so valuable. Why?

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Because if you bend the ear and you listen to them, they'll tell you what they need and when you know what they need, you can solve their problem in a better way. And I love that because it just like you said, it applies to both. You know, a business guy or to a pastor that the first step is we've got to have our.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Open. Otherwise, how in the world can we meet a need? And that's ultimately, you know, what a business is. It is meeting a need. It's solving a problem. It is. There's pain and there's a person with that pain. And I'm gonna go to them. And I'm gonna solve it in the absolute best way that I possibly can. I love that and I love. Go ahead. Yeah.

00:10:59 Speaker 1

If I could add one more, one more element to that. Tyler, listen to in, in this case for business community, listen to the customer. But you know we could we could extrapolate that to to all relationships. But first and foremost listen to.

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You know, have your time in prayer, have your time in his word. Listen to the Holy Spirit directing and leading your life as you listen to him.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And then you have an intention to listen to the other person he's put before you. Some great things can come from that and I appreciate you highlighting that hard to listen because it is so valuable. But we're going to have that time with the Savior first and have that time in his word just listening and then how he's going to lead us.

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You would love.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And we wow and do that right out to where he's called us. If that's in business or ministry or whatever it might be.

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Absolutely. That's why you know, a couple years ago when God had me start faith family of focus, it's in. We believe that it's in a divine order, right, faith, family. And then our focus, then our business, then our health, because everything in life stems out of our relationship with God.

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God, you know I preach a friend of mine. He always says, you know you have. You should have.

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2.

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Conversations every day you should have a conversation with yourself and speaking truth to yourself. But the first conversation you ought to have every day is speaking to God. You ought to have a conversation with God and and then as you go throughout.

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And that we would admonish us to do that seek first the Kingdom of.

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God and his righteousness.

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Hmm yeah.

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First, yeah.

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Yeah, I love that. And what did even I was reading today in Deuteronomy Chapter 9 and what Moses he was recounting to the tune of Israel, their rebellion. And he said there's several action words in there here, understand, understand, arise. But the first word here. Hey, listen, listen, I love that. And then I love what you were saying.

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About value. Ohh don't we live in a world where people long to be valued?

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And like you said, the greatest value.

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UM that we have is salvation and the and even think the fact that Jesus Christ valued us enough to put himself into a body, to come down to this earth, to down a cross for our sins and and to down across a cruel, painful death.

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Why? I mean, why did he do all that simply? Because so that we could have communion with him and and I love that aspect in our leadership.

00:13:39 Speaker 2

Yep, how to value those around us and value their needs and not just empathy, right? Not just empathizing with their needs, but valuing them as a person and coming alongside them. Can you unpack that just a little bit more for us? Maybe. How can someone as a leader?

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Whether that's a business owner or ministry leader, how can they go about very practically valuing someone?

00:14:07 Speaker 1

Yeah. I appreciate the question. I think about saying you probably heard it many times. People don't care how much you know.

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Hmm.

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Until they know how much you care, and so you can, you can say it. You can have all the, you know, mission statements. Your company can come up with, and they all sound, you know, fantastic. And you can print them in full magazine and put them in a Wall Street Journal and all that kind of good.

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And I.

00:14:31 Speaker 1

But the truth is, people know whether you're really living that out or not.

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Hmm.

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So when you have an employee that's going through a challenging time in their life and it's it's affecting them personally, but it's also affecting their work, it's also affecting their relationships at home. Or it might be even affecting their walk with Christ if they have that, then to value that person enough that you've listened, you've observed them. Now you know how to Minister to them.

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Cause really if you have a business that God's entrusted to you, that's the ministry.

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And and God's going to use that in a powerful way as you're listening to him, you've committed that to him. And so you're going to value that person. You're going to know what's going to speak to them.

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Hey, another raise might be a terrific thing and it might be of everything they need, however.

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It might not be the very thing they need at that moment to value them means you know what I'm going to know what's going to speak to them in a most powerful way.

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Hmm.

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I'm going to know what they need at that moment because you know, all of us in different life stages need different things. And so to to, to value a young family man that's got a two or three kids at home and and got some strain on the budget to value them to say, you know what you've been putting in.

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X number of hours you know don't have the money in the budget at the company. But I tell you what I can do and give you a couple of days off to enjoy some time with your family and to to because you've you've seen that in.

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Need.

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You you know that that's a moment that they need in their life that after a few more years, that's not going to be a need that those those children have grown and they have gone. And now there's a different need. So the value them specifically and to know them in a way that you can speak to them in volumes that way.

00:16:19 Speaker 1

That will resonate with that person, and now they don't read a mission statement and they don't hear you say anything about a vision statement. Nothing wrong with the.

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Those.

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Provided you're still living to them.

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Hmm.

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And they're not collecting dust on a wall framed out, looking really nice, but people your employees see them or your customers see them. And they say, you know, that looks nice, but I'm not sensing that really is what happening here. So the value them is really to reflect what you say you are as a Christian.

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As a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, as a follower of his.

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Right.

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That should be reflecting in our life. We we've been given the Ministry of Reconciliation. Corinthians 5 talks about that we we change we would call for a purpose second thesis Chapter 2 and verse 10.

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And so hey, he he gave us salvation.

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And you and I both going to acknowledge right now he didn't take us straight to heaven because we're not there. So he's left us with an assignment. And that's really the value. The ones here enough.

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To live a gospel life before them.

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And to live in the gospel like to value them, to influence them that way. So long, long response. But that really is getting to know them and being true to what God's called you to do and to be.

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That's good, I I love.

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Sure.

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Yeah, I love. I I love that from again. The the aspect of a leader.

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And a teammate, right? Or an employee? Because, you know, I think sometimes we have this idea of of leadership, and oftentimes it's such an we we want to almost position ourselves as intangible for whatever reasons, whether that's pride for reasons or maybe we're just not.

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We don't put in the extra effort to be a good communicator or whatever the case may be. I know this just in my small.

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Reason and with my business and back when I had my commercial residential window cleaning company, you know communication was so important and I because I could tell someone again I could give someone a vision, right? I'm a visionary. That's easy to me, right? I could give someone a vision of communicating that vision to them and coming alongside them.

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And in a way, putting your arm around them and saying this is what we're about and it's going to permeate everything we do here. I love that because we teach this in a launch out Academy, which is like a six month.

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Group coaching program that we're just launching this fall and I'm excited about it, but we teach how to perfect our mission. Just exactly what you talking about. You can have a mission statement, but that doesn't mean your business is actually on a mission. And I love that because part of that is getting your team on board and valuing them.

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Enough to say, listen, we can't do this.

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Just in our cubicles and we can't just do this separated in our in our minds, we've got to be unified together. I love that. I love that. And then the expression. So this kind of goes back a little bit, I guess how you can value someone but maybe elaborate a little bit more just on the expression.

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That a leader can show.

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So that while this really goes the extra mile, this expresses love from the leader, but the love of Christ as well, and in a business context, how do you express the love of Christ in a business context?

00:19:58 Speaker 1

Right. Well, you can do it for a customer. You can do it for an employee. You can do it for other relationships that you have individually.

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But you also can express vision. You also can express values. You also can express expectations for that employee as you're leading that company in a way that you've reflected it right. So you you've listened to God, he's directed your life. You deserve what he's doing, and you value the people he's entrusted to you.

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In the case of an employee or in the case of a customer that he's brought to you, you've you've, you've got it to that point. Now you got to express it to them in a way that resonates with them. And the way that they get you got you got to like be corny with this. You got to speak to them in a language that you understand.

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Yeah.

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You know, someone can speak most eloquently in Mandarin.

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I have no clue.

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I'm absolutely as dumb as I look, and that's totally possible if someone's expressing eloquent words giving me great value. Thoughts. But they're doing it in Mandarin. I'm not getting it. You got to speak some of the language they understand. So as you get to know them as you get to that opportunity, you have.

00:21:08 Speaker 1

Got some understanding with them individually, you expressed that in a way they're going to get it and that's going to come across in a lot of different ways depending on that individual.

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For a company you're going to express vision to a way that's going to help you express vision to them corporately, but also when you meet with them in small groups. When you meet with them individually, now you're going to know how to tighten that vision up to a point. You can express it that they get it, they get it. You know, I I came across.

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And I'd give credit to was, but when I came across this, I just took note of it. It says, you know, I'm going to go about today of my life as a vendor for edification and building people up. I'm supposed to go back to the Ephesians 4 language.

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Which and speak words that edify. That's what my life was. That's how I'm supposed to express that. And. And when I do that, and I do it in a way as as I listen and observe them and value them, then I'm going to do in the way that's going to resonate with them.

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Hmm yeah.

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That's so good.

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Just just knowing how to express specifically after you put those things together.

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That's good.

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Yeah, I love that. That is so good. Just expressing to our team again the vision and letting them catch it and letting them catch your heart. And that's a vulnerable place, right? For a leader, right to express his heart because a lot, I think a lot of times too.

00:22:35 Speaker 2

In leadership we we feel like expressing our heart too much will express weakness or people may translate translate that as weakness or they may see some ****** in the arm.

00:22:49 Speaker 2

Right. So talk a little bit about that, if you can elaborate just a little bit more on and when it comes to expressing love and expressing that to your area of leadership, but then also staying strong.

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Hmm.

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And not that they're opposite of each other. Love is very strong. But just to unpack that a little bit for us.

00:23:18 Speaker 1

Yeah, that loves kind of a fuzzy word, isn't it? I mean, you start using that around the office, they're gonna totally dial in, like, OK, not sure what's going on here. He's maybe a little fluffy for us. I don't know.

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But the truth is, Jesus Christ, the strongest person, and that we could have ever imagined.

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But he spoke of it in powerful ways. He demonstrated it in powerful ways. So.

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You can have a full stream.

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And still express love and. And that's where you don't want to falter. You bring up a great point, but if you just leave it like, hey, love like you leave leave. Like you love it. Then I got it. It sounds fluffy. It sounds a little little light and so.

00:24:06 Speaker 1

Being strong in those convictions and when you're expressing it, you're expressing it in a way that can grasp it. But holding strong, that means there's accountability involved, accountability for you as the leader, but also accountability to that. When you're working with. And so if.

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But perhaps it may flash in their mind that OK, not not sure this is a real strong way. I may be able to walk over this one. I may not be able to take it as as strong as it should be taken. You'll have opportunity to express that in a way that they get a hold of it and say, OK, you know what?

00:24:41 Speaker 1

This is a velvet hammer right here. This this is something that's strong and powerful, but they got it cloaked in a way that I can receive it and it stands firm. Second Corinthians talks about that in Chapter 15, where it says stand firm and that Velvet Hammer approve.

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Coach can come to someone and look, you know, like Velvet looks.

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Hmm.

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But you're not gonna break it down.

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You're not going to change it.

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In fact.

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It's gonna be there in a a consistent way.

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To change you.

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And that that's how God handles us. He's patient with us. He's long-suffering with.

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Us, but he's always working on us. He he's doing the progressive sanctification in our lives. Take off the old man. They renewed in the mind, put on the new man. Go through that process. Right. And Ephesians 4 talks about and we should have that in our lives. And so that's not light and hairy.

00:25:43 Speaker 1

That's hard sometimes.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But he's patient, he's gentle. He's kind, he's consistent, and he doesn't go back on his word.

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Or.

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And it doesn't change.

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Hmm.

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And that's what he's called us to do. We're expressing it. You say love, and somebody might think, OK, this cat just stepped out in 1968, you know?

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I don't know.

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But we got the example to follow and the one that expressed love in the most powerful and greatest way ever.

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Hmm.

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That was Jesus Christ, and we're called the.

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So good.

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Yeah.

00:26:19 Speaker 2

That's so good, and I know there's maybe several that that listen in and you know, maybe they have a business and maybe they're a solo preneur. It's kind of a another another subset that's kind of gained popularity these days, right? We're going at it alone. And you say, well, I don't really have a team. I don't really have.

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I don't feel like a leader because I don't, you know, I don't have a bunch of employees and I just kind of want to add to what brother Greg is saying that just because you feel like you don't have a team doesn't mean God hasn't given your leadership, and God hasn't given you.

00:26:54 Speaker 2

Influence. This is something that, you know, we challenge a lot of people in our business community often is that you may, you may run a service based business and you're the only employee or you may occasionally have part time help whatever.

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When it comes to communicating that vision, like Brother Greg is talking about, when it comes to leading with love, you still have your soul.

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Else.

00:27:18 Speaker 2

Right. Your spouse is. You are literally in the eyes of God. You are one, and so getting them involved in your vision, getting them involved in your business decisions, communicating your heart to them. I think that's one of the greatest things that you know, Catherine and I.

00:27:38 Speaker 2

My wife and I saw when I had my commercial residential window cleaning company it was something she got to see something. I started on my own. I was in college, we weren't married yet, but after we got married it became our lively.

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Food became the avenue which I provided for my family was able to do ministry together and it's amazing. When I began to express that love to her and I began to pull her alongside and see her as part of the team and express my vision. Hey, this is where I want the company to go. This is what?

00:28:10 Speaker 2

I want to do or. What do you think I should do involving them in that decision as well? I think is so is so vitally important, so you may not have a team, you may say. Well, that doesn't really apply to me because I don't have a a lot of employees. Remember, God has gifted you with one of the greatest responsibilities in.

00:28:29 Speaker 2

Has to be.

00:28:30 Speaker 2

The other half of someone helps, and so brother Greg, that's so good. So the cat.

00:28:34 Speaker 1

Yeah. No, no.

00:28:35 Speaker 1

No, I wouldn't even leave it there. I'd say that's very powerful because you've given them value.

00:28:41 Speaker 1

That you appreciate your input, but also you have customers and you gotta lead yourself to go out and meet with that customer and influence that customer in a way that you're representing Jesus Christ. You're representing your organization, you're leading, you're leading whatever name is on.

00:28:56 Speaker 1

That whatever you're doing and so that customer, oddly enough, you know, if I can give you a term, 360° leader leading from the middle is is being able to influence those all around us in a way that reflects Jesus Christ, owns us in a way that we'd like to see them example it too, but a spouse, children.

00:29:18 Speaker 1

Friends, acquaintances, customers no doubt about it, that is.

00:29:24 Speaker 2

And I think and yeah, and because I think that's so.

00:29:28 Speaker 2

So crucial with the you know, the the business to customer relationship because you know I I love this this whole acronym because what can be one of the greatest probings for the gospel. It's just a simple good gesture of Christ. Like love.

00:29:43 Speaker 1

Yep.

00:29:49 Speaker 2

You're not going to them on the sales call and you may not be, which I think there's a perfect place for it. I think a lot of times we we back away and me and you have talked about this in private, but just sometimes we separate, you know, this is my spiritual life. So in business, I can't really talk about the gospel. I can't talk about church.

00:30:06 Speaker 2

I think we need to do more of it because it's our life and we need to start acting more like it is a part of every part of our life, including our business. But I do at the same time, when it comes to speaking to someone, you may never know what that Christ like, love or that extra mile may do.

00:30:27 Speaker 2

And when they get connected to with you, they get connected to one of God's children, and that could be the result of them coming to.

00:30:33

East.

00:30:34 Speaker 1

And you're going to do good for. You're going to do business differently and it's going to be noticed. It's gotta be noticed. You can't hide that light that's burning inside of you when you're letting it glow. The gospel go through you. That is a theme that's hitting people, and they can't that they don't know how to put their hand or or their mind around a lot of times.

00:30:40

Yeah.

00:30:54 Speaker 1

But they just know there's something.

00:30:59 Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, that's so true. I I remember going into people's houses and cleaning windows. And when we started adding residential services to our to our business. And I remember, you know, some people, when we would come in and we were Crimson window cleaning was the name of the business. And there was 3 crosses that that would come together as the logo and make.

00:31:20 Speaker 2

There was, it was. It was.

00:31:22 Speaker 2

For sure, they either thought we were Alabama fans or they knew it was something spiritual because of the cross and and so.

00:31:29 Speaker 1

Which for some Alabama fans, they're both the same.

00:31:31 Speaker 2

Yeah, yeah, maybe. But I remember going into some of their houses and and them having Christian music on for us because the, the and that's what I wanted it to be. I wanted it to.

00:31:45 Speaker 2

They know what we're about and and we we in many cases we were able to share, you know, Isaiah 118 was our theme verse. Come. Now let's leave reason together sayeth the Lord that your sins be as scarlet. They shall be white as snow. That though they be red like Crimson they shall be as wool. And that was you know along with the theme of cleaning the windows and making them.

00:32:07 Speaker 2

9:00 and all of that. But that was that was what we wanted to.

00:32:11 Speaker 2

To portray that, hey, this is this is a group of God's children, and we'll we'll come in, we'll do a quality service for you. But we want to show our customers the love of Christ and get to know their name. I love that.

00:32:24 Speaker 1

And thanks for doing it to a quality service too, because once you establish yourself as being a Christian business, you you put that out there, you put as a 118, you get it on your business card.

00:32:35 Speaker 1

Now there's a higher level of accountability because you don't know what kind of picture of Christianity they've they've had or experience in their life. Now your opportunity is to show some genuine Christianity.

00:32:38 Speaker 2

Sure, sure.

00:32:47 Speaker 2

In their.

00:32:47 Speaker 2

Yes, yes, yes, I yeah, absolutely. I love that. So just to kind of capsulated encapsulate everything so that we can remember love. It's an acronym. So lead us through really Greg, listen right.

00:33:04 Speaker 1

Yeah.

00:33:05 Speaker 2

Oh is 4.

00:33:08 Speaker 1

Observe, I'll give you. I'll give you a question. What? Observe how many? How many stripes on the American flag and which starts first? Red or white?

00:33:11 Speaker 2

OK, go ahead.

00:33:19 Speaker 1

That's a tricky one, yeah.

00:33:19 Speaker 2

13.

00:33:20 Speaker 2

13 and it starts with red. I want to say.

00:33:25 Speaker 1

You want to say you're probably right.

00:33:28 Speaker 1

The only reason I asked that question is we grow up, we're surrounded by the American flag, we see it all the time. But do we really observe that flag to level? And you can ask a question like that. We can quickly give it. Oh, yeah, I know. I mean it. Boom, boom, boom. I know it.

00:33:38 Speaker 2

Yeah.

00:33:43 Speaker 1

Starts with this. I've seen it 1000 times.

00:33:46 Speaker 2

Hmm.

00:33:46 Speaker 1

And that's what happens with observation, we see something 1000 times, but we didn't really penetrate us that we grasped it. What the value of it is. So yeah, listen observe value. You can smell whether you really value them or not, they they can smell with that sincere. And then at that point.

00:33:54 Speaker 2

That's good.

00:33:59 Speaker 2

Value got it.

00:34:06 Speaker 1

You can put those 3 together. You know how to express more particularly and specifically for them, that it resonates the most effective.

00:34:12 Speaker 1

Way.

00:34:13 Speaker 2

Hmm, that's good. I I love that. I love that. So there you go. I think that's a very, very simple tool. I think if you're listening right now, if you're a Pastor, Minister, leader or a business owner, I would post those. I would take those 4 words, write them down, type them out, print it out, whatever. And post those in your office.

00:34:33 Speaker 2

Working space sticky note on your laptop to remind yourself this week to lead with love as Christ would.

00:34:40 Speaker 2

Lead lead with love and again if you feel like, well, I don't have a great area of leadership understanding God's got you in the place he's got you right now to influence people for him and it may not be the God multiplies your fishes and loaves and you feed the 5000 today but it may be that you meet a woman.

00:35:02 Speaker 2

By a well who's thirsty for living water, and she thought she was just gonna get you to come mow her grass.

00:35:08 Speaker 2

But you were an extra blessing to her by bringing her some extra groceries and going the extra mile and leading with love. And you never know what that those kind of things could do to giving someone the gospel or to turning someone to Christ. And so this has been great, brother Greg. I appreciate this.

00:35:28 Speaker 2

Who were those again? We mentioned our three ministries at the very beginning and that's what you do. That's what you plug away with every single day. Where can someone go to find out more about our three minute?

00:35:33 Speaker 1

Yeah.

00:35:38 Speaker 2

3.

00:35:39 Speaker 1

Yeah, easy enough. Just R3 ministry network, the letter R, the number three ministrynetwork.org and it'll give them most everything they need to know and all. And if they don't get it there, they'll be contact information. There they can call me, e-mail me or someone we minister with and we'll get to them.

00:35:59 Speaker 2

Absolutely, absolutely. And again, I love the just the community aspect of of what you're doing by bringing these guys together and be like, hey, listen, even if it is on a zoom call, you know, virtually they're meeting with each other on a regular basis and saying or meeting with a mentor. And they're saying, hey, listen.

00:36:20 Speaker 2

They're not the only one going through this, and so leaders, helping leaders and I love it. So thank you, brother Greg. I appreciate.

00:36:22 Speaker 1

That's right.

00:36:27 Speaker 1

Four of us. Tyler is. Really. Yeah. We look to encourage and equip pastors.

00:36:29 Speaker 2

Go ahead, go ahead.

00:36:33 Speaker 1

And help strengthen the local church. That that's really the embodiment of that, that refresh, revive. And then we're looking to restore gospel impact for every community.

00:36:43 Speaker 2

Yes, I think it's such a such a needed. Such a needed work. So if you get a chance, please check that out. Our three ministries on network.org and and definitely plug along there and if you.

00:36:56 Speaker 2

Know of any other pastors? Anyone else needing encouragement, needing some help and.

00:37:00 Speaker 2

Church, our three ministries I know can definitely help with that, but Greg, it's been great to have you today.

00:37:05 Speaker 1

Honor to be here, Tyler, I really appreciate you taking time for this today. It's been great getting to know you too, by the way. God bless you.

00:37:11 Speaker 2

Yes, Sir. We'll talk to you soon, alright?

00:37:14 Speaker 1

Yeah. Take care.